Some years ago, my liege (the King of Lombardy) managed to form the Holy Roman Empire as a Hereditary Aristocratic Empire. As an important vassal within the realm, I would like to see elective succession for the empire.

Cannot create 'Elective Succession in HRE' faction

However, I cannot start a faction to change succession type! I can push a claimant, or reduce crown authority within a kingdom within the empire, but no succession changes.

factions

Prerequisites

Empire crown authority is minimal ("autonomous vassals"), I have no truce with my liege, and there are no other obvious impediments.

autonomy

Which is in line with what the wiki has to say on forming an elective succession faction:

Elective Monarchy in [Title]

  • Without Conclave, requires lowest crown authority (Autonomous Vassals)

  • With Conclave, requires the council to have all voting powers

So it seems as though I should meet the requirements.

My liege could switch to elective succession

If I switch to my liege, Elective Monarchy is a valid succession law to switch to:

succession

(above is HRE Emperor Inheritance view, not mine)

But it is still seemingly not a valid reason to start a faction.

Previous patches were noted for having "too much elective", and it seems as this was toned down. However, I should still meet the requirements. So why can't I as a vassal push for Elective Succession in HRE?

Succession by Feudal Elective Section in 00_factions.txt

Relevant sections of 00_factions.txt; that is, the plotter scope and target. Wall of text ahead:

# Institute Succession by Feudal Elective faction_succ_feudal_elective = { type = liege_titles warning_level = 0.7 # At this level of faction power we give player an alert. Set to 0 for no alerts. # Plotter scope potential = { prisoner = no is_ruler = yes independent = no is_landed = yes is_adult = yes primary_title = { holy_order = no } OR = { NOT = { has_dlc = "Zeus" } is_voter = no liege = { OR = { is_council_content = no NOT = { primary_title = { has_law = war_voting_power_1 } } } } } NOT = { trait = incapable } liege = { NOT = { government = chinese_imperial_government } primary_title = { has_law = law_voting_power_1 has_law = banish_voting_power_1 has_law = execution_voting_power_1 has_law = revoke_title_voting_power_1 has_law = grant_title_voting_power_1 has_law = imprison_voting_power_1 has_law = war_voting_power_1 } is_vice_royalty = no is_feudal = yes OR = { year = 1350 primary_title = { is_tribal_type_title = no } NOT = { culture = ROOT } NOT = { religion = ROOT } } NOT = { any_demesne_title = { temporary = yes } } } NOT = { religion_group = muslim } primary_title = { higher_tier_than = BARON } NOT = { in_faction = faction_succ_seniority } NOT = { in_faction = faction_succ_primogeniture } NOT = { in_faction = faction_succ_gavelkind } OR = { # Is not affected by a Crown Law title NOT = { crownlaw_title = { always = yes } } # The Crown Law title holder is my liege crownlaw_title = { holder_scope = { ROOT = { liege = { character = PREVPREV } } } } # The Crown Law title allows vassal infighting crownlaw_title = { NOT = { OR = { has_law = crown_authority_2 has_law = crown_authority_3 has_law = crown_authority_4 } } } } NOT = { has_character_modifier = faction_succ_feudal_elective_ultimatum_timer } } # Target scope allow = { is_law_potential = succ_feudal_elective is_law_allowed = succ_feudal_elective NOR = { has_law = succ_feudal_elective AND = { has_law = succession_voting_power_1 has_law = succ_feudal_elective } } OR = { is_primary_holder_title = yes higher_tier_than = DUKE } holder_scope = { NOT = { any_war = { war_title = ROOT using_cb = change_feudal_elective_succession_law } } NOT = { reverse_has_opinion_modifier = { who = FROM modifier = opinion_coerced_into_leaving_faction } } } }

Omitted are the joining scopes and AI weighting.

Note: I don't have Conclave DLC, which changes how council/vassal demands are handled

1 Answer

It actually requires Conclave as the demands are like this in common\objectives\00_factions.txt:

 primary_title = { has_law = law_voting_power_1 has_law = banish_voting_power_1 has_law = execution_voting_power_1 has_law = revoke_title_voting_power_1 has_law = grant_title_voting_power_1 has_law = imprison_voting_power_1 has_law = war_voting_power_1 }

This is bugged since 2.7.1. I'm not sure whether this has been fixed in yesterday's 2.8.2 patch, if you could post your 00_factions.txt I could probably help you further. If you're not playing Ironman, you could edit this file by creating a minimod fixing the issue.

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